Transition to AGM-MR2020?

[Draconus297]

So, I was noticing that the worst issues with MR4 were addressed by Master Rule 2020, and putting the Pendulum Zones back where they were initially solves most of the others. After that point, the cards that make for infinite Links could be handled separately, and the AGM would be entirely ready to progress to where modern YGO is.

I'm not saying this as a blanket statement. This is only a suggestion of where the AGM could go, given how we are otherwise massively limited on imports that match the power of cards in our format. I may be the founder, but I am not the only voice in this group. That being said, if this measure were to pass, I would recommend the following cards being added to our card pool:

Do-Little Chimera
Greatfly
Hip Hoshiningen
Missus Radiant 
Mistar Boy
Wee Witch's Apprentice

LANphorhyncus
Gaia Saber, the Lightning Shadow

Link Spider
Binary Sorceress
I Masquerena 
Proxy Dragon
Underclock Taker
Triple Burst Dragon
Black Luster Soldier - Soldier of Chaos
Borrelguard Dragon
Borreload Dragon
Borrelsword Dragon

Alien Shocktrooper Mighty/Frame
Aromaseraphy Jasmine (the Konami one)
Cyber Dragon Sieger
Galaxy-Eyes Solflare Dragon
Gem-Knight Phantom Quartz
Gladiator Beast Dragases
Hi-Speedroid Rubber Band Shooter
Inzektor Picofarena
Junk Connector
Raidraptor - Wise Strix
Shaddoll Construct
T. G. Trident Launcher
Vampire Sucker

This update would also include votes for the "Rokket" and "Timelord" archetypes, and would import the four "Charmer" Links.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

(I really have to update the AGM specific areas to reflect MR5, considering we were probably all under impression that Konami wasn't changing it anytime soon)

Anyway...
- Generic Attribute Links from old MRD monsters are fine.
- Charmer Links are fine
- Adding Rokkets is fine
- Timelords aren't doing anything dumb nowadays (except maybe being part of some Stall shit, but that's probably due to some EDOPro AI deck)
- Archetype Links, barring Needlefiber could probably be added.

I will admit that Auroradon could lead to issues, but I think that could be addressed by not adding Needlefiber [if we have no Crystrons] and maybe no Linkross.

[Tinkerer]

That's a big yes from me. I always liked Links as a mechanic, even when they did stupid stuff. As long as they aren't NECESSARY for other mechanics to function (i.e. MR4.5), I'm more than happy to let 'em in the AGM.

Requesting Decode Talker get added as well.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

If we're adding Links to AGM, then we need to draw up a list of the ones that won't be added here. Again, major one is Needlefiber (though this could also be exacerbated by other cards besides it).

As of now, Links aren't required to make other Decks work (well, except for summoning face-up Pendulums from the Extra Deck; you still have to deal with that). Just to remind you all, Extra Deck Pendulums can be summoned to either MMZ/EMZ if face-down, but once face-up, yeah, you have to go to the Extra Monster Zone or to some place a Link Monster is pointing to.

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Though, if you want Decode Talker, you probably would have to add the rest of them too (still need to check how good Accesscode really is though)
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I do know that we had 1 AGM member in the past who was heavily against ANYTHING to do with VRAINS (even if only Cyberse and no actual Links/MR4). Not to trash talk them, though I've no way of figuring out if Master Rule 2020 (or 5, w/e you want to call it) would make Link stuff more acceptable.

[Draconus297]

Code Talkers are an archetype with full support in the Main Deck, and would thus require 3 members of approval. Borrels, as I just realized, are also an archetype, as there are backrow cards that specifically support Borrels.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Really up to you whether you'd like to consider them alongside Rokkets (as they generally work together otherwise), or keep them separate since barring End, the others are generic for most part.

I'd probably be okay with adding Code Talkers.

[Draconus297]

There are several Spell/Traps that technically mention both, so they are a combo archetype along the lines of Fluffals/Frightfurs.

So that makes:
Rokket/Borrel (2/4 - Me, Sakura)
Timelords (2/3 - Me, Sakura)
Code Talkers (2/3 - Tinkerer, Sakura)

Our complete list of Konami import archetypes, then, is the following:
Alien
Ally of Justice
Amazoness (bar Archer)
Ancient Gears (neutered)
Aroma
Artifact
Batteryman
Blue-Eyes, essentially, bar Spirit and some random backrow
Cipher (bar "Storm Cipher")
Cloudian
Crystal Beast
Cyber Angel
Cyber Dragon (bar Core, Infinity, and Megafleet)
Cyberdark
D/D/Dark Contract
Destiny HERO (bar Link)
Destruction Sword
Dinomist
Dracoslayer/Dracoverlord (bar Amorphactor Pain)
Dragonmaid
Dragunity
Elementsaber/Elemental Lord
Evil HERO
F.A.
Fabled
Fire Fist/Fire Formation
Flamvell
Fortune Lady
Fortune Fairy
Frightfur.dek
Fur Hire
Galaxy (bar Numbers)
Gem-Knight (bar Seraphinite)
Gishki
Gladiator Beasts
Gusto
Ice Barrier
Igknight
Infernity
Inzektor
Iron Chain
Junk + Jet
Laval (bar Chain)
Lunalight
Machina
Majespecter
Malefic
Mecha Phantom Beast
Meklord
Melodious
Metalfoes (bar Link)
Morphtronic
Mythical Beast
Naturia
Neo-Spacian/Neos/Neo Space
Noble Knights/Arms (bar Eatos's sword and Isolde)
Odd-Eyes
Pendulum "Magician"
Performapal
Phantom Knights (bar Link)
Photon (bar Numbers and Alexandria Queen, who's actually a Butterspy card)
Predaplant
Prediction Princess
Qli (bar Link)
Raidraptor
Red-Eyes
Reptilianne
Resonator
Shaddoll
Shiranui
Speedroid
Subterror (bar Link)
Supreme King
T.G.
Toon
U.A.
Valkyrie
Vampire
Venom
Volcanic
Vylon
Worm
X-Saber
Yang Zing
Yosenju
Zefra (bar Link)

The archetypal Links that are still barred are as follows-

Heavymetalfoes Electrumite (haha no, in a world where Pendulum monsters are unshackled)

Isolde, Two Tales of the Noble Knights (pure unadulterated Warrior Deck preferential treatment)

The Phantom Knights of Rusty Bardiche (Fog Blade free from the Deck is asinine)

Qliphort Genius (Extra consistency for the world's most consistent control Deck? Why)

Subterror (I've yet to play against the Deck myself, but hearing horror stories of Guru Control has made me rather dislike the thing)

Zefra (Given that unlocking Pendulums from Links is one of our intended steps, this thing becomes evil.)

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Might want to update the D-HERO one too (well, if we are allowing their Link to be added).

As for the archetypal ones we're still banning.
- Electrumite definitely has to stay gone for now.
- Isolde has its own issues, though if we don't have that issue in AGM, maybe we can readjust that. (A big maybe)
- Bardiche probably should've been locked to Phantom Knights, but might've shit on their ability to make it in first place too.
- For whatever it's worth, Genius is also a generic Machine Link for things.
- Guru Control is a somewhat affordable option and it has placed well in some areas, so...yeah. (I don't think they actually run the Link though, because kinda iffy).
- Gotta go look up Zefra Metaltron again

[Draconus297]

Qli are just a bit too consistent for a Deck all about control, is what I'm getting at, and a Link that says "search a high-Level Machine when you Pendulum Summon high-Level Machines" is kinda stupid, especially when we have a Spell that gives you a free second Pendulum Summon.

Zefra Metaltron basically lets you recoup any monster from Graveyard or face-up in the ED to your hand every time a Pendulum dies.

[Draconus297]

Archetype request update:
Rokket/Borrel: (2/3 - Me, Sakura)
Timelords (2/3 - Me, Sakura)
Code Talkers (2/3 - Tinkerer, Sakura)
Blazefur Athlete (1/2 - Me) [Remember, member-created archetypes only require 2 votes, because it is assumed the creator already voted for them]

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Confirmation on Blazefur that yeah, I put them up for submission (though I did say that in passing + if people wanted them in). I fixed that typo on Blazefur and some other wording things for the Summon negation.

As for the other stuff Draco posted, I haven't looked at them yet, but those were put up for submission too. Will take a quick look + give my okay on it or not. (As far as I know / care to, don't think I have needed to vote NO yet)

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Dopphantasm
Sastenoverture
Ragefly

Leaving this as reminder for what I need to go look over.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

In a general sense, all of the archs Draco wanted reviewed should be okay for inclusion in AGM.

That is, if Nyx, Tinkerer or whoever else in the server and generally knows what we got in here is fine.

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Also I cannot stress this enough, but you all should port your AGM archetypes somewhere like Google Docs, this site or whatnot in the event original YCM goes down for good. (Well, more/less whatever isn't already here)

I have to say this, but if old YCM goes down and none of you backed up your stuff, then AGM is essentially screwed + will have to remake everything from scratch. Some of the archetypes in here are from ex-AGM members, so for those who aren't here anymore, you can copy/paste their archs yourselves.

[Princess Raven]

Uhhh, while I will say that I am in favor of updating to MR5, I will ALSO point out that with MR5, the Pendulum Zones didnt get changed. Theyre still in their MR4 positions, and didnt revert to their MR3 positions, as the OP would suggest. If that was the sole reason youre considering updating, I feel it's best to inform you of the truth, which says otherwise..

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Outside of the Pendulum Zones remaining in the S/T zone instead of being their own thing like they were in ARC-V, yeah, you can Special Summon Fusion, Synchro and Xyz to the Main Monster Zones too now.

(Face-up Pendulums and Links still follow MR4 rules)

The wording could probably be fixed, but I think Draco's referencing the fact that since we can freely summon from the ED again without the need for Link Monsters, we can probably move on to MR5.

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Granted, some of the Decks in AGM may need to adapt somewhat due to how they functioned with Pendulums, but that's just how things go

[Draconus297]

Our existing modifications of MR4 included separate Pendulum Zones already. I just assumed that we would maintain that modification, again due to the way several AGM cards interact with Pendulum Zones.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

If we're still interpreting the Pendulum Zones as being where they were initially, then suppose we should be good.

Think the affected Decks with Pendulums would probably concern Nyx, you and maybe a few others. I didn't make any Pendulum archs for AGM, so I was only affected by the EMZ restriction with Links when MR4 shot around.